98% (4.7K) • 189 campsites
Top-rated campgrounds near Muir Beach
Venture Retreat Center
1. Venture Retreat Center
100%
(2)
46mi from Muir Beach · 12 sites · Tents, Lodging
Nestled among ancient redwoods at the end of winding Eden West Road, along the edge of Little Butano Creek, Venture is a NorCal hidden gem. Our roots are in the 1960s counterculture movement and we've long served as a haven for spiritual exploration, self-discovery, and personal growth. Just an hour’s drive from San Francisco, San Jose, and Santa Cruz, our special spot is the most serene escape when you're seeking respite, relaxation, or reconnection with nature.
The campus offers a mix of dispersed charming cabins, a serene yurt, camping sites, and glamping tents. You can immerse yourself in the lush forest that surrounds us, soak up the sun, and explore creek-side beauty. Gather around the warmth of an evening fire or drum circle and enjoy the dusk and starshine coming on.
Just down the street is Pescadero proper. A sweet little spot (nine hundred strong) and California coast perfection. You'll find gorgeous scenery, local food and drink, neat landmarks, beautiful places to hike and explore, fun galleries, and really, really good people. Ask us for our favorite spots, we’re more than happy to share!
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$207
/ night
Delta Respite
2. Delta Respite
100%
(93)
48mi from Muir Beach · 1 site · Lodging
The perfect solo escape!
Treat yourself to a quiet getaway for one at this cozy, clean and comfortable cabin on our rural farm, between two rivers, on Sherman Island. Located in the eastern San Francisco Bay Area at the confluence of the San Joaquin River, Sacramento River, and the eastern terminus of San Francisco Bay, Sherman Island is known for its wildlife, sunrises, and sunsets, and its dark sky for stargazing opportunities.
The property is surrounded by alfalfa fields, grazing cattle, sheep, and a wildland habitat populated with migratory and native birds, animals, and plants.
The one-room cabin has a bed and clawfoot bathtub with hot water offering a peaceful escape on our 5-acre tree-lined farm. Here you can listen to birdsong instead of the sounds of the city. This is an ideal cabin for birdwatchers, writers, plein air painters, nature photographers, stargazing, windsurfers/kiteboarders, meditation, or some stress-free, peaceful reset time.
The private cottage has a refrigerator, microwave, compostable dinnerware, drinking water, and a coffeemaker with coffee. It is air-conditioned in summer and heated in winter.
Pets are welcome and free to enjoy being off-leash in the cabin's fenced yard. The hosts raise free-range chickens and bees on their farm and also conduct a nonprofit rescue and hospice for senior pets.
The property is in the Pacific Migratory Flyway, surrounded by a 1000-acre
State habitat/preserve populated by wildlife and seasonal birds.
Downtown San Francisco and Sacramento are each about 50 miles away in opposite directions. Mount Diablo, viewed from the property, is about 15 miles south and offers hiking trails with stunning views and abundant wildlife.
Friday bookings are for a minimum of 2 nights.
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$145
/ night
Mission Canyon
3. Mission Canyon
85%
(69)
50mi from Muir Beach · 7 sites · Tents
Welcome to Mission Canyon were you can let go and relax under the redwoods, next to the creek with majestic water fall sounds. Go to the top of the mountain at 1000 ft to star gaze at the Milky Way and shooting stars! There are endless possibilities.
Bring your own water containers to enjoy drinkable natural spring water. Also take a natural spring water shower and a cool dip in the pond each morning to start your day off refreshed!
We recommend you have an all wheel drive vehicle to get to the property however 2 wheel drive will make it. There is a 1.5 mile drive on a dirt rd with dry creekbed crossings it is definitely an adventure to an amazing oasis.
from
$100
/ night
Cunningham Ridge Vineyard
4. Cunningham Ridge Vineyard
37mi from Muir Beach · 1 site · RV
Covered RV Site in Gated Sebastopol Vineyard
Escape to the peaceful countryside of Sebastopol, CA, and stay inside a private, gated vineyard surrounded by scenic vines and open skies.
This covered RV site offers a safe, comfortable place to park, relax, and enjoy Sonoma County’s wine country charm.
🔹 Site Details:
• 40 ft long and 15.5 ft wide covered structure with 14.75 ft clearance height — fits most RVs, trailers, or camper vans
• Concrete pad for level parking
• 240V electric hookup and water access
• Gated property with secure access
• Located in a working vineyard with beautiful sunset views
• Quiet, rural location yet close to downtown Sebastopol and Hwy 116, and just 10 minutes from Hwy 101
• Maximum 4 guests
• No sewer hookup (guests must use their own tanks)
🏕️ Important Notes:
• Overnight stays are allowed (self-contained RVs only)
• Campfires, tents, and generators are not permitted
• Please respect the quiet and privacy of the property
• Pets considered upon approval
We welcome you to enjoy peaceful walks around the vineyard during your stay. Please note that while you are free to explore the property, picking grapes, leaves, or any part of the vines is not allowed, as this is an active working vineyard.
Dogs are allowed only with prior approval and must remain on a leash at all times. Please ensure pets do not eat grapes or fallen fruit, as grapes can be harmful and potentially dangerous for dogs.
Thank you for helping us keep the vineyard healthy and safe for everyone!
💲 Rate: $75 per night
📍 Location:
Sebastopol, CA — nestled in Sonoma County wine country, close to local wineries, farm stands, and coastal day trips.
Experience the beauty and tranquility of wine country with the comfort of your own RV, parked safely beneath the vines. 🌿
Electrical hookup
Water hookup
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$68
/ night
Above the Clouds RV Park
5. Above the Clouds RV Park
98%
(149)
37mi from Muir Beach · 4 sites · RVs
23 beautiful acres at the top of the mountain overlooking the valley below and the mountains on the other side. We are often Above the Clouds in the mornings. You will need to come up a windy country road to get to us but it will be well worth it.
Learn more about this land:
Welcome to our Above the Clouds RV spot,
tucked away in between Napa and Sonoma Valleys - right in the middle of wine country!
This is the perfect peaceful getaway near great outdoor activities and
some of the best wineries in California!
About the Property:
Above the Clouds campsite is
surrounded by beautiful, stately
trees and overlooks the Valley of the Moon with a stunning mountain view. We are just 11 miles from the city of Sonoma and only 8 miles from the Napa Valley - making both destinations really easy to get to. You can enjoy the California wineries, restaurants, and shops that you'd like! We are also ideally located near Jack London State Park - which is a really pretty and historic place to go! The opportunities for hiking around our property are endless, and definitely head to the wineries if that's of interest to you. On our property you can enjoy exploring our more-than 20 acres of land, taking the row-boat (provided by Hosts) out on our pond, hiking or just relaxing in a serene setting and watching a great variety of birds.
Formerly utilized as a bed and breakfast, when we moved to the property we definitely wanted to continue sharing the land and views with guests. As hosts, we are around and enjoy getting to know the our visitors if you are up for that, otherwise we are also happy to respect total privacy. There are 3 sites next to the pond, we have one that is there all the time in the summer but those folks only come a couple of times each month. The 2 others are right next to each other near the pond. We haven't started having more than one rented at a time yet but do expect to start that soon. You may have a neighbor or 2.
We hope you enjoy the beautiful sunsets and being literally above the clouds as much as we do!
About the Listing:
Come park your RV on our property and set up camp at a beautiful spot right next to the pond. You should expect to see us on the property, though your site is well away from the house We have minimal electrical and we do have water hookups available for your RV, we do allow generators. There is a BBQ grill that you are welcome to use for cooking some wonderful meals if you'd like! You can enjoy a bite to eat at the picnic table near your campsite.
There is also potable water from our natural spring available onsite for guests.
You can enjoy watching the birds, turkeys and deer that meander through the meadow, and feel free to roam around the property taking in the fresh outdoor air!
Additional Details to Note:
- Check-in is after 2pm and
check-out is before 12pm
- Things to bring: Everything you need to camp comfortably! Think: toilet paper, cookware, bathing suits if you like, etc.
- We do not have wifi available on site and cell reception is spotty, especially for certain carriers. Please prepare accordingly for your travels and your stay.
- There is a fire ban in effect, so please no campfires, but we do allow you to use a propane fire pit if you bring it yourself.
- We welcome your pets! They can be off leash if they are friendly and if they don't run off - we do not have a fence.
- You can contact us if you'd like to check in early - if nobody needs to check out, we are happy to accommodate you!
Please feel free to reach out with any questions and we look forward to your stay!
Electrical hookup
Water hookup
from
$90
/ night
98% (4.7K) • 189 campsites
Top-rated campgrounds near Muir Beach
Venture Retreat Center
1. Venture Retreat Center
100%
(2)
46mi from Muir Beach · 12 sites · Tents, Lodging
Nestled among ancient redwoods at the end of winding Eden West Road, along the edge of Little Butano Creek, Venture is a NorCal hidden gem. Our roots are in the 1960s counterculture movement and we've long served as a haven for spiritual exploration, self-discovery, and personal growth. Just an hour’s drive from San Francisco, San Jose, and Santa Cruz, our special spot is the most serene escape when you're seeking respite, relaxation, or reconnection with nature.
The campus offers a mix of dispersed charming cabins, a serene yurt, camping sites, and glamping tents. You can immerse yourself in the lush forest that surrounds us, soak up the sun, and explore creek-side beauty. Gather around the warmth of an evening fire or drum circle and enjoy the dusk and starshine coming on.
Just down the street is Pescadero proper. A sweet little spot (nine hundred strong) and California coast perfection. You'll find gorgeous scenery, local food and drink, neat landmarks, beautiful places to hike and explore, fun galleries, and really, really good people. Ask us for our favorite spots, we’re more than happy to share!
Toilets
Campfires
Showers
from
$207
/ night
Delta Respite
2. Delta Respite
100%
(93)
48mi from Muir Beach · 1 site · Lodging
The perfect solo escape!
Treat yourself to a quiet getaway for one at this cozy, clean and comfortable cabin on our rural farm, between two rivers, on Sherman Island. Located in the eastern San Francisco Bay Area at the confluence of the San Joaquin River, Sacramento River, and the eastern terminus of San Francisco Bay, Sherman Island is known for its wildlife, sunrises, and sunsets, and its dark sky for stargazing opportunities.
The property is surrounded by alfalfa fields, grazing cattle, sheep, and a wildland habitat populated with migratory and native birds, animals, and plants.
The one-room cabin has a bed and clawfoot bathtub with hot water offering a peaceful escape on our 5-acre tree-lined farm. Here you can listen to birdsong instead of the sounds of the city. This is an ideal cabin for birdwatchers, writers, plein air painters, nature photographers, stargazing, windsurfers/kiteboarders, meditation, or some stress-free, peaceful reset time.
The private cottage has a refrigerator, microwave, compostable dinnerware, drinking water, and a coffeemaker with coffee. It is air-conditioned in summer and heated in winter.
Pets are welcome and free to enjoy being off-leash in the cabin's fenced yard. The hosts raise free-range chickens and bees on their farm and also conduct a nonprofit rescue and hospice for senior pets.
The property is in the Pacific Migratory Flyway, surrounded by a 1000-acre
State habitat/preserve populated by wildlife and seasonal birds.
Downtown San Francisco and Sacramento are each about 50 miles away in opposite directions. Mount Diablo, viewed from the property, is about 15 miles south and offers hiking trails with stunning views and abundant wildlife.
Friday bookings are for a minimum of 2 nights.
Toilets
Showers
Campfires
from
$145
/ night
Mission Canyon
3. Mission Canyon
85%
(69)
50mi from Muir Beach · 7 sites · Tents
Welcome to Mission Canyon were you can let go and relax under the redwoods, next to the creek with majestic water fall sounds. Go to the top of the mountain at 1000 ft to star gaze at the Milky Way and shooting stars! There are endless possibilities.
Bring your own water containers to enjoy drinkable natural spring water. Also take a natural spring water shower and a cool dip in the pond each morning to start your day off refreshed!
We recommend you have an all wheel drive vehicle to get to the property however 2 wheel drive will make it. There is a 1.5 mile drive on a dirt rd with dry creekbed crossings it is definitely an adventure to an amazing oasis.
from
$100
/ night
Cunningham Ridge Vineyard
4. Cunningham Ridge Vineyard
37mi from Muir Beach · 1 site · RV
Covered RV Site in Gated Sebastopol Vineyard
Escape to the peaceful countryside of Sebastopol, CA, and stay inside a private, gated vineyard surrounded by scenic vines and open skies.
This covered RV site offers a safe, comfortable place to park, relax, and enjoy Sonoma County’s wine country charm.
🔹 Site Details:
• 40 ft long and 15.5 ft wide covered structure with 14.75 ft clearance height — fits most RVs, trailers, or camper vans
• Concrete pad for level parking
• 240V electric hookup and water access
• Gated property with secure access
• Located in a working vineyard with beautiful sunset views
• Quiet, rural location yet close to downtown Sebastopol and Hwy 116, and just 10 minutes from Hwy 101
• Maximum 4 guests
• No sewer hookup (guests must use their own tanks)
🏕️ Important Notes:
• Overnight stays are allowed (self-contained RVs only)
• Campfires, tents, and generators are not permitted
• Please respect the quiet and privacy of the property
• Pets considered upon approval
We welcome you to enjoy peaceful walks around the vineyard during your stay. Please note that while you are free to explore the property, picking grapes, leaves, or any part of the vines is not allowed, as this is an active working vineyard.
Dogs are allowed only with prior approval and must remain on a leash at all times. Please ensure pets do not eat grapes or fallen fruit, as grapes can be harmful and potentially dangerous for dogs.
Thank you for helping us keep the vineyard healthy and safe for everyone!
💲 Rate: $75 per night
📍 Location:
Sebastopol, CA — nestled in Sonoma County wine country, close to local wineries, farm stands, and coastal day trips.
Experience the beauty and tranquility of wine country with the comfort of your own RV, parked safely beneath the vines. 🌿
Electrical hookup
Water hookup
from
$68
/ night
Above the Clouds RV Park
5. Above the Clouds RV Park
98%
(149)
37mi from Muir Beach · 4 sites · RVs
23 beautiful acres at the top of the mountain overlooking the valley below and the mountains on the other side. We are often Above the Clouds in the mornings. You will need to come up a windy country road to get to us but it will be well worth it.
Learn more about this land:
Welcome to our Above the Clouds RV spot,
tucked away in between Napa and Sonoma Valleys - right in the middle of wine country!
This is the perfect peaceful getaway near great outdoor activities and
some of the best wineries in California!
About the Property:
Above the Clouds campsite is
surrounded by beautiful, stately
trees and overlooks the Valley of the Moon with a stunning mountain view. We are just 11 miles from the city of Sonoma and only 8 miles from the Napa Valley - making both destinations really easy to get to. You can enjoy the California wineries, restaurants, and shops that you'd like! We are also ideally located near Jack London State Park - which is a really pretty and historic place to go! The opportunities for hiking around our property are endless, and definitely head to the wineries if that's of interest to you. On our property you can enjoy exploring our more-than 20 acres of land, taking the row-boat (provided by Hosts) out on our pond, hiking or just relaxing in a serene setting and watching a great variety of birds.
Formerly utilized as a bed and breakfast, when we moved to the property we definitely wanted to continue sharing the land and views with guests. As hosts, we are around and enjoy getting to know the our visitors if you are up for that, otherwise we are also happy to respect total privacy. There are 3 sites next to the pond, we have one that is there all the time in the summer but those folks only come a couple of times each month. The 2 others are right next to each other near the pond. We haven't started having more than one rented at a time yet but do expect to start that soon. You may have a neighbor or 2.
We hope you enjoy the beautiful sunsets and being literally above the clouds as much as we do!
About the Listing:
Come park your RV on our property and set up camp at a beautiful spot right next to the pond. You should expect to see us on the property, though your site is well away from the house We have minimal electrical and we do have water hookups available for your RV, we do allow generators. There is a BBQ grill that you are welcome to use for cooking some wonderful meals if you'd like! You can enjoy a bite to eat at the picnic table near your campsite.
There is also potable water from our natural spring available onsite for guests.
You can enjoy watching the birds, turkeys and deer that meander through the meadow, and feel free to roam around the property taking in the fresh outdoor air!
Additional Details to Note:
- Check-in is after 2pm and
check-out is before 12pm
- Things to bring: Everything you need to camp comfortably! Think: toilet paper, cookware, bathing suits if you like, etc.
- We do not have wifi available on site and cell reception is spotty, especially for certain carriers. Please prepare accordingly for your travels and your stay.
- There is a fire ban in effect, so please no campfires, but we do allow you to use a propane fire pit if you bring it yourself.
- We welcome your pets! They can be off leash if they are friendly and if they don't run off - we do not have a fence.
- You can contact us if you'd like to check in early - if nobody needs to check out, we are happy to accommodate you!
Please feel free to reach out with any questions and we look forward to your stay!
Electrical hookup
Water hookup
from
$90
/ night
Recent reviews from the Hipcamp community
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Gabby
6 days ago
With pets
I had such a beautiful, restful stay at Ceci and Steve’s cabin on Sherman Island. I came for a solo writing retreat and left feeling deeply reset. The cabin is cozy, clean, and thoughtfully set up, and the clawfoot bathtub was an absolute dream after long, quiet days of resting and writing.
The land itself is really special. Waking up to birdsong, spending time birdwatching during the day, and then stepping outside at night to see a sky full of stars felt like a gift. Even with the winter wind rolling through, there was something grounding and powerful about being out there between the rivers, surrounded by open land and wildlife.
Ceci and Steve are wonderful hosts, and you can feel the care they put into the space and the animals around them. This is a perfect place if you’re looking for solitude, nature, and a true pause from city life. I’m so grateful for the time I spent here and would absolutely return.
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Nova
3 weeks ago
1 night at Delta Respite
Steve and Ceci are such lovely and down to earth people! Staying at their place was really enchanting, the cabin feels like something out of Snow White-it’s simple but also very detailed and you can tell thought was put in the space. The clawfoot bathtub was wonderful, and despite the winter chill the place managed to stay warm. There’s a bookshelf full of books with California flora and fauna. Their dogs are funny and very active, and there’s maybe about. 60 chickens there? Both domestic and wild. Both the area in the back next to the cows and the highway besides the river were lovely to walk beside and explore.
Overall it was a wonderful way to get away from the hustle and hustle of things and relax and explore! Hope to be back soon 💕
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Laura
November 2025
16 ft travel trailer
With pets
We thoroughly enjoyed the privacy and solitude. The view was far better than photos can show. Sunsets are stunning! Phil was helpful in getting us set up. Recommend taking the Sonoma side driving up.
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Marcus
November 2025
27 ft travel trailer
With pets
We loved our two-night stay in November.
Colleen and her dog Mimi were so delightful and welcoming to my family and two large woofers.
The space fitted our 27 foot Airstream easily and the views were spectacular, especially at sunrise and sunset when the tule fog happened to be in the valley and we floated above.
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Monica
November 2025
Weekend Trip to Delta Respite
I had a wonderful stay here. The silence, stars, multitude of birds (including Sandhill Cranes!), water, and joyful farm animals were restorative for my soul. The rustic and charming cabin was delightful with a window view of splendid sunsets, cool art and stylistic decor, an efficient heater, and a spacious bathtub. The hosts were gracious, responsive, welcoming, and thoughtful; they went above and beyond in making sure my stay went well.
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Brian
November 2025
3 nights at Delta Respite
Second time staying here on my birthday
Honestly love it.
Right off the water
View of Mt Diablo and Antioch bridge.
Steve and Cici and both very kind both great with communication. And they do want to make sure everything is going good while on your stay
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Robb
October 2025
25 ft travel trailer
With pets
we had to cancel our stay at the last minute so weren’t able to make it, but the hosts were very gracious.
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Finn
October 2025
Weekend Trip to Delta Respite
Steve and Ceci are so open and generous, the spot is really beautiful, and the cabin is perfect for a solo getaway. I even saw river otters and sandhill cranes walking distance from the property. I highly recommend this spot!
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Sloane
October 2025
With pets
Ceci and Steve were so warm and accommodating for my dog and I last minute. I couldn't have imagined a better place to reset. This was my first time using hipcamp. I was set on finding a cozy inn to retreat to for the weekend and get somewriting done. Of course everything was booked or insanely expensive so I turned to hipcamp and I truly couldn't have planned it better. The cabin had everything I needed to be comfortable. You could really tell that so much thought went into every little detail. From the clawfoot tub, to porch with the little fenced in yard. Every light was on a dimmer! I was so charmed by this as someone who works with light a lot (photographer) and love creating ambiance! Clearly they poured their hearts into creating such an amazing space. I kept joking to my friends the cabin was like a storybook and I felt like I was the Celestial Seasons Bear.
They were both so sweet to my dog Beaux and we had lots of nice walks around the property and beyond. Only downside was it was a bit muggy and buggy at times so definitely prepare if you're sensitive to mosquitos or other critters. This was no fault of Ceci & Steve's and to be expected when visiting the Delta! Oh, and there really were so many amazing birds to view and the sound of birdsong and coyotes throughout the day and night. The whole experience was so dreamy and relaxing and I definitely want to go back!
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Josh
October 2025
With pets
I had such a restorative, restful time at Steve and Ceci’s beautiful cabin on their farm on Sherman Island. I had been worried that it was too close to civilization to give me the peace and quiet I was looking for but this couldn’t have been further from the truth. While the cabin was close enough to town to meet with friends in Walnut Creek or get supplies, it was far enough away to feel worlds away from San Francisco. Steve and Ceci were consummate hosts, providing everything I needed from additional firewood for the fire pit (and accompanying fire building assistance!) to bottled water. The clawfoot tub with bath salts was a particularly lovely touch but the cabin was extremely comfortable and well-appointed. My dog absolutely adored staying here, and was able to roam the large property that was completely fenced in, meeting the farm dogs and the chickens. There is even a hammock and a comfortable lounge chair to do some reading in the shade. What more could you ask for?
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kyle
October 2025
18 ft travel trailer
With pets
Colleen was great and so nice, unfortunately we did not get a chance to meet Phil. This property has an AMAZING view!! The camp sites are nice and flat as well. Our dog had a blast as roaming the property. It’s worth the trip to see what discover. You will not be disappointed! We will be back
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Brenda
September 2025
1 night at Delta Respite
Delta Respite is exactly what I needed.
Ceci & Steve greet you when you arrive to explain things. Wonderful warm hearted folks who made me feel so welcomed. I’m an avid kayaker & birder and this certainly checked all the boxes. Be sure to have coffee on the hill in the morning. Great spot to greet the day!
I will return to this special place.
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Jennifer
September 2025
21 ft travel trailer
With pets
Phil and Coleen were wonderful hosts. We felt very welcome and enjoyed our time there very much. Will be returning guests.
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Megan
September 2025
Weekend Trip to Delta Respite
The cozy cabin on Steve and Ceci's property was perfect for my solo getaway. The cabin has just what you need to unwind and relax - a lounge chair with a little fire pit, a soaking tub with a candle and bath salts with a rack to hold my kindle/book while soaking. The small table provided space to eat and sit to watch the bird bath and sunsets. Steve and Ceci were so welcoming to me and my dog, we are very grateful for their space!
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Paula
August 2025
2 nights at Delta Respite
Steve & Ceci were welcoming hosts. Their cozy cabin & property provided a peaceful space for solitude. I enjoyed walking and relaxing, beautiful sunrises and sunsets, and their entertaining flock of of free-range chickens.
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CY
August 2025
18 ft travel trailer
With pets
This is a wonderful location if you are seeking tranquility. Sitting by the pond and relaxing by the pool melts all the stress away.
Both Phil and Colleen were warm and gracious hosts. They were there when I needed them and not there when I didn’t. I would not hesitate to go back.
Oh yea, did I mention it is dog friendly too!
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Monique
August 2025
1 night at Delta Respite
it is a lovely spot on the delta. with the windows open a nice breeze flows in, you hear birds, and some farm animals nearby. the was some fresh produce to snack on, and ... the tub is fantastic.
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Lori
August 2025
19 ft campervan
Beautiful place to camp in the hills above wine country! Phil met us outside and led us to the spot, which was level for sleeping. There were chairs and a picnic table for use, and the water and electricity hook-up were great. We had dinner while watching an amazing sunset, we’d definitely stay here again!
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Jay
August 2025
20 ft travel trailer
What a great place with wonderful hosts. Very quiet with beautiful views. Lots of wildlife. Woke up to deer grazing on the property, fish in the pond, woodpeckers, hawks, finches and swallowtail butterflies. Close to many wineries and great hiking and stargazing at Sugarloaf State Park.
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Dan
August 2025
Tent
tucked way back in the redwoods, there property is beautiful, quiet with a small creek running through it. high clearance vehicle is best as the road runs across a few creeks. David met me in town and led me to the spot — it would be hard to find otherwise, at least the first time.
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