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Founder's Camp is a sprawl of level areas, a few of which offer some shade among the oaks.  It consists of an upper and lower area that share a parking loop.  The upper area has 6 level spots including 2 king size, and starts right at the parking loop.  It has more shaded spots but the trail to the lower sites meanders through it.  The lower part is 5 level areas one king si


Founder's Camp is a sprawl of level areas, a few of which offer some shade among the oaks.  It consists of an upper and lower area that share a parking loop.  The upper area has 6 level spots including 2 king size, and starts right at the parking loop.  It has more shaded spots but the trail to the lower sites meanders through it.  The lower part is 5 level areas one king size, about 120 feet down a mostly gentle trail with one short steep part, and more private once you're there.  Couples and small groups/families can coexist here booked separately, but if your group size approaches 12 or you want more room and privacy book both places.    This site can accommodate large groups of 30+ so bring your extended outdoors loving family, scout group, church or school outing, reunion, sports group, corporate team bonding, health and wellness retreat; any group you want to gather together surrounded by cubic miles of clean mountain air.   

Founder's Camp has the shadiest and most sheltered sites on the ranch, and you're welcome to book one site as a single, couple etc camper.  The sites are divided up so there's almost no line-of-sight between camps when booked separately.  With the shared parking loop and trailheads nearby, you're more likely to mingle a bit with other hipcampers at Founder's Camp.  Gregarious folks might find this a big plus, but if absolute privacy is important to you, the other campsites on the ranch are much more isolated.

For the summer 2021 season there will be a third Founder's Camp site further still down the trail, perfect for campers with kids featuring a secret tunnel through the trees to a camping fort.  Site 1 has several new large tent areas, and some of the pads at Site 2 have been enlarged too, and the parking loop has been enlarged and levelled better.  If you visited last season you'll find everything bigger and better.

Liron Mountain Ranch is 24 varied acres high in the soft rolling hills of Lebec overlooking Tejon Ranch and the Grapevine.   There is a network of trails criss-crossing the property to explore the different microclimates from sunny exposed slopes to cool oak-shaded canyon. 3 of the 4 main trailheads begin at the Founders parking loop.  Enjoy seasonal wildflowers and watch the abundant wildlife. The ranch is an excellent place for cross country and obstacle course racers to train while camping.

It's less than 3 miles from the entrance to the Hungry Valley OHV area, where Gold Hill Road meets Piru Creek near house size bedrock boulders and calm pools, and is near Frazier Park which has a decent selection of stores and restaurants.   There are lots of things to do in the area, from hiking on Mt Pinos to horse riding lessons in Cuddy Valley.  Be prepared for strong WINDS, most of the campsites are built to offer some protection from it but definitely bring kites. The ranch tops out at 4,500' elevation and sees 4 seasons.

Amazing spring wildflowers, hot summer days with pleasant nights, crisp fall weather, and freezing nights and some snow in winter. Dark skies perfect for astronomy. You'll see the milky way in all its glory and it's GREAT viewing whenever there's a METEOR SHOWER. Pets are welcome and large dogs have plenty of room to roam and play but beware of wildlife with smaller ones as there are large birds of prey plus coyotes and bobcats in these hills.  Recommend a recent dose of Advantage or better flea and tick preventive.

The best thing about Liron Mountain Ranch is the seclusion! Unlike public campgrounds that tend to be boisterous, loud, rowdy, and messy, Liron is private and secluded in the Estate district of Lebec so it's rare to see another person pass by the property the whole time you're up here.

The first wave of wildflowers bloom April through early May, after which there are small subtle flowers to be found blooming year round, with a second and third wave of different types of flowers in late spring and mid summer even as the majority of spring grasses and plants turn brown.  Weather can be quite variable; I've seen sleet and snow in May, and nights can get pretty cold so bring plenty of layers.  A warm cap and gloves can make a big difference in night comfort.   For hot daytime wear, white light long sleeves and a wide brim hat are a good idea; also remember sunscreen as we're at 4,500 feet.

Campfires are NOT allowed, but each campsite has a ring of rocks around a solar LED flame lamp that's surprisingly realistic.   There's also a colorful solar LED wand visible from afar to act as a homing beacon to your camp for night arrivals.

Please note that Founder's Camp is at the end of a steep, narrow dirt driveway with a turn/drop that some might find intimidating.  It's not hard if you watch and hug the uphill side on the way in, and start the hill with enough momentum to make it up on the way out.  There's parking at the start of this driveway, and some campers have left one car here and shuttled people and gear from here to camp in "the truck" while others opted to park and walk in over driving.  I use this road with combos like Suburban/16' trailer and SUV/2 ton dump trailer, so skilled drivers would have no problem bringing a Teardrop or Scamp sized rig in.  However I don't recommend Founder's Camp for vans and trailers unless confident/experienced and/or 4wd, nor Class A or any but the smallest Class C motorhomes at all.

There is about 2 miles of maintained, occasionally steep dirt road from pavement to camp that regular passenger cars even Priuses can easily handle most of the year.  Lowered vehicles or those with delicate ground effects or aluminum wheels with 45 series or lower tires may suffer.    Immediately after rain there are some slippery parts of the road where good tires and 4wd are desirable. About 2-3 weeks of the year at various times December-Feb the road may be impassable due to deep snow and mud.

Campsite area
Bring your own tents, vans and truck campers, trailers
2 sites
Up to 12 guests per site
Park at listing
No ADA access
Toilet available
Pets allowed
Fire ban in effect
Picnic table available
Bins available
No potable water
No kitchen
No showers
No wifi
Laundry absent
Camping vehicle details
Generators allowed
No electrical hookup
No water hookup
No sewage hookup
No TV hookup
Pull-through site
Max length 35ft
Surface type: loose gravel
Surface levelness: flat
Doesn't accommodate slideouts
Have a question? Send Art a message!
  • Check in: After 12PM
  • Check out: Before 12PM
  • Cancellation policy: Flexible
  • On arrival: Go straight to camp
  • Minimum nights: 1 night
  • Accepts bookings: 6 months out
  • Weeknight discount: 25% off
  • Response time: Within 12 hours
  • Response rate: 100%


Offered on the Host's property or nearby.

Off-roading (OHV)
Wildlife watching


Natural features you'll find at Founder's Group Camp at Liron Ranch in California.


The vibe at Founder's Group Camp at Liron Ranch

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Hipcamper Brittany

Secluded hilltop views

Brittany S.
recommends this listing.
(Site 4)
July 23rd, 2020

Art's site had a beautiful view of the surrounding area. We were on the top of a hill with a view of the highway far below to the right and the rolling hills in front of us. There was a picnic table at the site and a toilet area that was a 3 min. walk away. The site was very exclusive with minimal bugs and the sky was full of stars at night.

Art was very responsive and gave me his number to call if I needed any help. It was a bit difficult to judge how far the site was from the highway (it was farther than we expected) and we missed a few turns getting there. We also were new to driving our camper van and the steep dirt road to the top gave us some pause. But, the views at the top were definitely worth it!

Hipcamper Art
Response from Art, the Host, on July 26th, 2020

Glad you enjoyed your stay. Sounds like you ultimately handled the drive like a seasoned pro, just think how this helped your learning curve with the camper van. I appreciate your feedback and I'm up at the ranch regularly making improvements and building new stuff. Hope to host you again some day.

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Hipcamper Alan

Liron ranch - fantastic

Alan H.
recommends this listing.
(Site 3)
June 30th, 2020

Art was a great host. He lead us on a guided hike of the property. The views from the camp site were fantastic. Don't expect fancy accommodations and you won't be disappointed. There is no running water and the one toilet is basically a toilet seat chair over a hole in the mountainside. But if you want to get away from it all, this is the place to go.

Hipcamper Art
Response from Art, the Host, on July 4th, 2020

It was a very enjoyable visit with you and your family, hope to see you all again in the future. I'm starting a subreddit to show progress on my ranch, search the name on Reddit and you can follow as the Hobbit House and other planned features are built. Cheers!

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Hipcamper Ellen
Ellen F.
recommends this listing.
(Site 1)
July 14th, 2020

Art was a great host. He took us on a hike down into a canyon of oak trees. He showed us to our campsite. It was very peaceful. Red tail hawks soaring, birds chirping and rushes of wind through the trees. I loved the woodsy smell. The constellations and milky way were really pretty!

Hipcamper Nemo
Nemo C.
recommends this listing.
(Site 1)
July 20th, 2020

The site was nice. It's up on the hill, the pit latrines are quite cool, it's just a little latrine on the side of the hill but the views are amazing. You can hear a dull roar of the highway down below but it's not loud enough to be annoying. I'd recommend this spot.

Hipcamper Art
Response from Art, the Host, on July 26th, 2020

Glad you enjoyed your stay. The view latrines were inspired by the facilities at the Geologist's Cabin in a remote part of Death Valley. As for the sound of traffic, I call it a murmur, with the occasional staccato beat of a big rig's jake brake, or a motorcycle gang blatting up the grade with straight pipes standing out. What's really interesting is when you hear sounds like a dog barking or voice calling from 3/4 mile away and 900 feet down, borne on a wind gust traveling just the right direction.

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Hipcamper Fabian
Fabian L.
recommends this listing.
(Site 2)
July 27th, 2020

Great place for a get away, nice trails going down the very steep canyon, beautiful place to look at the stars

Hipcamper jack
Jack C.
recommends this listing.
September 8th, 2020

Directions were a bit tricky at first, but upon reaching the site all worries are dissipated and you find yourself on a peaceful mountainside with endless sky. Art was very helpful and accommodating as well. We would definitely go again!

Hipcamper Christine
Christine S.
recommends this listing.
(Site 2)
September 27th, 2020

Great views and solitude. It was a fantastic weekend.

Hipcamper Rachel
Rachel T.
recommends this listing.
(Site 2)
October 25th, 2020

Loved it!! Art was so welcoming and gave a fantastic guided tour of the whole area. Felt like we had the entire hill to ourselves

Hipcamper Andy

Intro to wilderness camping

Andy M.
has mixed feelings towards this listing.
(Site 1)
October 27th, 2020

Not too far from civilization, but remote enough to camp away from any other people.
The campsites are located on a hillside about two miles from the 5 freeway. There's a dirt and gravel private road that takes you from the valley below up to Art's property. Highly recommend a high ground clearance vehicle, ideally with 4 wheel drive. Dirt is soft and silty so keep up momentum in the steeper areas to avoid getting stuck. The road is plenty wide for a single vehicle, but another car going the other way would be a sketchy situation. Most of the road up to the property has steep drops on the side and no guardrails. Would not recommend driving this road at night.
The sites at Founders Camp are small level plots just big enough for one 2-4 person tent. We were 2 couples using 4 and 6 person tents, and did not find any of the spots to be suitable. We actually set up camp on the parking loop at the site. Very dusty ground, which made a mess but at least was easy to drive stakes into.
Founders camp technically has a site 1 and a site 2. Site 1 is right next to the parking loop and has several flat spots for tents and a picnic table under a low hanging oak tree. Site 2 is about 50 yards down the mountain, and one would have to park at the top and hike down with all the camping gear.
Being away from any public spaces there were no safety concerns with other humans. Only safety concerns would be mountain lions or rattle snakes, so don't hit the trails at night, much less alone.
Would recommend trying this place out if you have gone camping in crowded public campgrounds and are considering going into the wilderness.

Standing on the hillside just above the parking loop. Tent is set up on the road where the ground is level and space is sufficient to place a 6 person tent.
Tree on the left is where site 1 picnic table is located. My Ford Raptor was about as wide as road in.
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